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Post by Pelican on Aug 28, 2012 18:58:04 GMT -5
A lot of people have asked for me to increase the bot limit per character to two. Personally, I like having only one bot per person because with a 2 character per ip limit, the maximum players in a group a single person can play is 4. This means there is still a reason to group with other players. With 2 bots per player, someone can box a group themselves. On the other hand, I understand that some battles are very difficult with just four people and with a small server population, it can be a challenge to find someone else to group with. Also, it will help people who do not box.
Please answer in the poll so I can get an accurate measure of how many people are for or against an additional bot.
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Post by graecus on Aug 28, 2012 21:42:48 GMT -5
Personally, I think it's a bad idea for an Emu to loosely enforce grouping and/or group content. Emu's just don't have the population to justify it and anyone who is dead set for a group based MMO shouldn't be on an Emu server who's population averages around 20 people during peek times.
I think Pelican is sitting on a real gem here if it is planned and executed right. The Emu community NEEDS a quality solo/small group server like this. Irreverent is a joke and anyone who's been around the community more than a month knows it. Nagafen's Lair has had some good ideas in the past, but frankly, I'm tired of all my efforts being wiped every 6 months.
The solo/small group concept is a good one... Having an additional bot allows boxers to actually solo all the content because we're afforded the opportunity to have a full group of six. Not everyone can or wants to group, be it because we just don't care to group or our lives prevent us from being traditional group players. Those who wish to box and/or be soloists would be able to.
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Post by rune on Aug 29, 2012 2:31:04 GMT -5
I wouldn't exactly want the bot limit raised, it's not OVERLY tough to find people that want to help each other. 3 people, 1 bot each is more than enough for content. If anything it'd be nice to have a way to have 2 bots made, just 1 active at a time. Whether for buffs, or situational needs.
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Post by sergion on Aug 30, 2012 5:41:39 GMT -5
Ive been boxing all of velious but Vulak, and i think its been alot of challenge and alot of fun. Adding more bots would make it to easy id say, but at the same time for Vulak you really need a full group. Dunno how luclin will be tho? back to pre vulak enemies? or Vulak all over the place?  With the server challenge between this and newly opened Nagafens Lair who also is solo server this one stands out due to bots, and thats nice i think. Specialy as i live in europe and dont have any RL friends playing and finding peeps to go hunt with can be a real challenge when its morning in the states. Id preferly like to lift the box limit to 3 IP's instead of 2, but if that aint happening im all for adding more bots. Might be idea to make mobs pre vulak tad harder tho so its still a challenge? 2 bots more a group will make a huge diffrence? Quest is nice for another bot, someting like the first quest, not to hard, not to long, not to boring |
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Post by ravers on Aug 30, 2012 12:32:24 GMT -5
When will this be implemented?
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Post by Pelican on Aug 30, 2012 12:41:18 GMT -5
I'm still waiting to get maybe a few more responses. It'll probably be early next week if I do it
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Post by wizard on Aug 30, 2012 14:26:49 GMT -5
Cazic Thule, Phara Dar , Vulak, Aten Ha Ra and Emperor Ssra all would require full groups. Me, Rune, and Razor has progressed with use of a full group, mostly casters as our main dps.
The content does get harder, so you are left with 2 options. 1. Go make friends, get more people for your group that want to group together. or 2. Add Another bot slot if you don't wish to seek out groups with one another. Bots are FAIRLY stupid when it comes to common thoughts like Conserving mana, and knowing not to heal pets. You would get a better result with less bots but thats just my opinion.
I would not like to see more bots, I would like people trying to come together to group to tackle targets, but I have played on many servers, and I know thats an art seldom used.
EDIT: And to those that say the population of the server cant handle it. Each person at this point has themselves and one bot. Thats 2 people. you cant tell me you cant find 3 random people online to get together and get something done?
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Post by ravers on Aug 30, 2012 15:26:05 GMT -5
Yeah its harder to find people to group with when the population is low. Most of the people are not even flagged for the same thing as you are. Even if you add that 2nd bot you can always camp if out if you want to invite a friend. It helps us who don't play as often and would like to progress further than velious.
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Post by noxaleth on Aug 31, 2012 9:30:02 GMT -5
Adding another bot absolutly will kill grouping for the most part. People who duel box will just run there own crew and people who solo still wont be able to 3 man those hard raid targets. So this isent really going to help in anyway.
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Post by graecus on Aug 31, 2012 13:14:15 GMT -5
I logged in this morning with the intent of knocking out a progression target or two... luckily, I'm still at a stage where I can do so with my boxed group and my two bots so I was able to walk away having accomplished something worthwhile.
When I logged in, their were three people... one AFK, one not at a point to even consider doing progression and I'm not sure what the status of the third person was. The point here is, without that second bot or the IP limit being raised to three, I may as well get used to the idea now that I will only be permitted to progress up to the point that can be handled with my boxed toon and my two bots. Without these raised limitations, it will be near impossible to progress beyond the most basic elements of the server for any player who cannot group due to real life time constraints or for the simple fact that some people just don't want to group, that some people enjoy the real challenges of boxing multiple toons instead of just one.
Having an extra bot has very little impact on those who want to group... simply camp the bot and invite the player... not hard to do at all. Enforcing groups though, the population of the whole server will suffer when people leave because they wont ever get to level 60, let alone PoP, because they can't box it or no one is on to help them.
And what of those who are in PoP now? Sure, its easy to say that we'll help flag others... but how long will that last before we get tired of killing CT for the never ending stream of new players? And what of that sense of accomplishment we all want to experience? Where's that accomplishment, that pride, when I need that well geared player in PoP to come kill Phinny for me?
Deny the extra bot and you may as well change the server description to group enforced and not solo/small group... a group of six is not a "small group", that's a full group.
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Post by Pelican on Aug 31, 2012 16:15:01 GMT -5
I believe that Kunark can be done with two characters and bots if the players are good enough. I'm leaning more toward adding in a second bot for velious
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Post by wizard on Aug 31, 2012 18:50:15 GMT -5
Adding another bot absolutly will kill grouping for the most part. People who duel box will just run there own crew and people who solo still wont be able to 3 man those hard raid targets. So this isent really going to help in anyway. It would become a solo server .. for Real. |
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Post by Pelican on Aug 31, 2012 19:08:34 GMT -5
Unless someone can convince me otherwise, here are my reasons I'm probably going to implement an additional bot in Velious. Since Nagafens Lair opened, the population hardly ever gets above 10 players at a time. To find someone who needs the same or similar flags as you is nearly impossible. Also, forcing people to group clearly isn't working as I've seen Wizard on many nights lfg and no takers. An additional bot would mean a person could solo the majority of the server which was the original intention. Also, as Wizard pointed out, bots are stupid. If you really want a group full of bots, go for it; it will still be much more effective to group with real people for complex battles.
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Post by lomz on Aug 31, 2012 19:40:59 GMT -5
I wouldn't exactly want the bot limit raised, it's not OVERLY tough to find people that want to help each other. 3 people, 1 bot each is more than enough for content. If anything it'd be nice to have a way to have 2 bots made, just 1 active at a time. Whether for buffs, or situational needs. is that the rule atm? we can only have one bot at all? i been wondering about this cuz i'd like to have a wizzy or druid in reserve to port me. but after reading this i have been wondering if that is against server rules. |
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Post by Pelican on Aug 31, 2012 20:06:36 GMT -5
It's not against any rules, it's just impossible at the moment. When I do add in another bot, you'll be able to have two created by default.
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